A Tale of Two Announcements
By Buz H.– February 28, 2013
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times. Let's start with the worst of them: FFG stopped TradeCardsOnline.com from providing online play for its LCG properties.
I can't say that I blame them, per se, since FFG is totally within their rights to do so. OCTGN provides similar support by abiding by some reasonable restrictions (censoring the latest card text) and I'm hopeful TCOL will resurge by adopting this same policy.
BUT THEN MY DAY GOT BETTER! NEW TOURNAMENT RULES!!!!!
To date, there were a few complaints emerging about the tournament scene surrounding AGoT:
1. Too large of a cardpool means a high barrier to entry, particularly when compared to the new LCGs
2. The attempt to keep power creep under control results in old cards remaining powerful….which means a stale meta. The Season agendas are a good example of this and there was increasing ennui among veteran players.
3. Each house had a large base of “auto-include” cards and 10-15 slots for personal taste (if that) in each T1 build, leading to a homogeny in the meta and new builds just didn't have the steam to keep up with the historic classics.
It seems that the designers of the LCG held to some of these same feelings and undertook a relatively drastic measure to shake things up. Their method was to enforce a type of “semi-rotation” by restricting a large portion of cards, increasingly from the older sets. This means that players will have to pick up fewer chapter packs to have a shot at a T1 deck and taking the hammer to staple cards from all houses means that creativity, selection, and metagaming will once more rise to the top.
Before getting to my thoughts on the list itself, I wanted to also note one almost overlooked aspect of the AGoT and Star Wars tournament rules: each new chapter pack is legal AS SOON AS RELEASED! This means that each month the meta shifts; no more “locking in” a 3-4 month period like we saw last regional season. I love this change as I like to see builds and archetypes shift on the fly.
So let's look at the additions to the list a bit more closely. Before this new FAQ, I'd say that the biggest debate revolved around unrestricting the Castellan and what to do about Long Lances. Well, the choice seemed to be “let's take anything resembling the Castellan in power level and stick it on there. Then, if we missed any staple card from a recognizable build, let's get that too. And then let's get cards that are in 50%+of decks. Then let's get a few more for good measure.” Here's the additions:
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ALL HOUSES:
Refugees
While this may seem a strange include, I think this represents the choice of the designers to reduce homogeny among decks and to crimp setups a bit more, making House of Dreams a harder choice (though I don't know if this was intentional or just an unintended consequence of trying to shake up older cards). This hurts Martell Maesters the most, Stark probably second most (perhaps tied with Lannister HoD Tunnels), Bara Iron Throne HoD, Targ Dothraki builds, and Greyjoy of all types. I'm actually a huge fan of this choice as it will create more impetus and variety among cheap characters. Lannister does OK here since their refugee isn't the best in a lot of their builds and they can drop in gold weenies and not miss a beat. Targ has Hatchlings, Brown Ben Plumm, and other useful 1-drops, Greyjoy has a ton of cheap dudes, etc. We'll see how many pick the Refugees as their restricted; my guess is it won't be many.
BARATHEON
Robert Baratheon (The KL version)
Errata to TMP, errata to himself, and now The List. Yeah, he's a Voltron-type character, but that's one of Bara's things, right? There's plenty of other Roberts to use and even if it hurts to lose him, I'd say The Laughing Storm would have hurt Bara more. They actually come out ahead in my estimation since the nerfs were mainly to control, perhaps opening the door to rush decks to return to viability.
Knight of flowers (KL cycle)
Same as above. Just too efficient. If they're going to nerf control, Bara had to be slowed a bit. Not a huge deal for them, especially considering how hard other houses were hit.
TARGARYEN
Aegon's Hill –
Overlooked until recently, Aegon's Hill is amazing. This is the first in a list of locations possibly too good with House of Dreams. It also crimps Bruno-style jumper decks…..but not THAT much. You can still use Confession for hand control if you want, or just add Flaming Pitch Tower for more kill.
The Long Lances
Yep. They're too good. Kudos to Robert and Steven for pointing it out as far back as the chapter pack review. Not also putting Street Waif on the list allows the combo for card advantage to keep going, but both cards share negative traits so there's some options to stop it. I might have put the Waifs on here as well, but I do think restricting the card is preferable to errata. If they prove to be still too strong, then limit the response or some such.
The Hatchlings' Feast
This will make for a tough choice between Feasts and Long Lances in Hollow Hill decks. I know what I'm likely to choose….but choosing wrong is the difference between winning and losing. I'm a bit surprised to not see Incinerate on here as well, but perhaps the changes will be enough. I don't personally think they did enough to knock Targ Hollow Hill down from the top spot on the ladder, especially compared to what they did to Stark and Martell builds.
STARK
Bear island
Yet another reaction to House of Dreams, I think. I wonder if we will see this come off the list since Bear Island decks haven't proven to be OP, even with No Quarter in them, or if it will stay on as part of the 'soft rotation' mindset.
No Quarter
This was one card I was surprised to see on here. Lots of houses have cards with similar effects (Terminal Schemes, Die by the Sword) and this one is more efficient but Stark is the kill house, isn't it? I've heard Damon talk a lot about the “true power level” of the houses and maybe they think Stark was up on top. Am I missing something, or is this a bit weird? It will force Stark to think outside the box a bit, so that's good.
Meera Reed
It's about time. She's too good. She loses some of her awesomeness without No Quarter in there, but Stark Winter is just taking hits left and right especially considering the agenda was restricted as well. Loyal TC-er Alex's Winter deck has gone from 0 to 4 restricted cards overnight. lolz.
MARTELL
The Scourge
This slightly surprised me too. I thought they'd take care of it in melee (they did) but I never really feared the Scourge. I think Lost Oasis was a better candidate for restriction, but I guess since Lost Oasis is in a different type of deck (?) that they left it alone. Or was it the House of Dreams fears that led to this measure?
I will note that since Martell isn't getting Naval stuff (at least yet) that icon removal seemed a strong option for them in the new Song of the Sea meta….but not anymore.
Orphan of the Greenblood
This staple hits the binder. Great for setup, Martell will now have to rely on their Spearmen and possibly the Greenblood Merchants out of the last cycle to fill that role. I think it's good to encourage them to explore new options; it's funny but the Orphans are one of the things I think holds decks like Dragons back in joust. This is a hard blow for Martell.
Game of Cyvasse
Good, about time. I hate this card. It's super strong, tons of uses (especially in the hands of a skilled pilot) and has remained auto-include for like 4 years. Martell has other options such as Words are Like Arrows or even Parting Blow and Ghaston Grey for this type of effect so they should be OK. I think the Orphan loss hurts more (and perhaps even Summer)
LANNISTER
Pentoshi manor
This card is so awesome. I remember @Theorist said as much when it was released, but it's exceeded all expectations. A very worthy candidate and one that will give Lannister another tough choice. I can't see picking anything but this for my decks from Casterly Rock, though.
GREYJOY
None. Should there have been some? I can't think of one…..boatswain? Asha? Greyjoy maesters is the strongest build and that took a small hit (but not as much as Stark Winter) and Choke took a small hit too with the Kings of Winter agenda going on. I actually think Choke gets better with the refugee restriction and the updates to Burned and PIllaged (it can affect KotHH) This house improved the most after this new list.
NEUTRAL
Retaliation
A great choice since this plot not only makes control decks sing, it is in almost every T1 build. Let's get some diversity into those plot decks! I remember when lots of people said that restricting Search and Detain was a soft ban for that card (since proven to be totally false), but I think this really might be a soft ban for Retaliation! AND push the Furies further down the list. I would have voted to take the Furies off, but putting more Fury-level plots on is just as good of a choice IMO. I think First Snow of Winter might be another one to look at going on in the near future.
The Conclave and The Tin Link
More hurt to the Maester decks. Good; I hate them. I don't think this hurts Greyjoy Maesters as much as Martell Maesters, though. I bet there is a large swath of the player base that sees Greyjoy Maesters now as the best deck in the format; regionals will tell the tale! We may see more positive attachments in the meta now, though three large reasons to run them (Bear Island; Search and Detain; Castellan of the Rock) are also on the list.
Why not put Valyrian Steel Link on here as well? I'm probably just overly maester-phobic but I still think they have very strong options out of the Citadel.
Kings of Summer/Winter
I think Dobbler was the first one that I heard calling for bans on these cards, not because they were too powerful but because they have been powerful for too long and led to a stale meta. Simple card advantage agendas are now reduced, leading to more space for Black Sails exploration and a resurgence in Knights. I think Stark Knights, Lannister Knights, Greyjoy Black Sails, Stark Black Sails, and a few others will rise up in place of the seasons.
Perhaps there is a sterling soul out there who will make a Summer deck go now that the worst enemy of the agenda (winter) is likely to see less and less play. I bet it comes out of Targ (like a Targ Army deck or something) since Martell has just SO many cards on the list now.
WINNERS:
Bara, Greyjoy–Not a HUGE hit to Greyjoy's best build, boosts to House of Dreams for Greyjoy and Greyjoy Choke; restriction of control and hard removal mean Bara rush is better placed than it was yesterday.
LOSERS:
Stark, Martell–Stark's best build is dismantled; Martell sees more and more options go. The good news is that each of these houses still has plenty of space to resurge.
IN THE MIDDLE:
Lannister, Targaryen–Targ's best build takes a hit, but not a crippling one IMO. Their second build (Summer) is hurt pretty bad but their House of Dreams Dothraki stuff is still pretty viable…even very close to T1 perhaps. Lannister sees the Manor go, but lost relatively less than the other houses. They'll benefit the most from the Refugees going.
I'm SO glad that the meta is reset right before regionals…..now to the hard work of building decks and testing them out in the New Meta!
I'd love to hear from you all below about your thoughts and reactions to the list! As always, thanks for reading.

Really good assessments here!
I agree on virtually all points.
Greyjoy getting the win makes me sick. I already hated Greyjoy and with the new Victarion and everything it’s super lame that they are largely untouched by this.
Also, I had forgotten about No Quarter. I went from 0 restricted cards to 5: 1. Meera (expected), 2. Refugee, 3. Retaliation!, 4. No Quarter, and 5. Kings of Winter.
FAQ 4.1: Add Northern Cavalry Flank and Catelyn Stark (LoW)…
You know, I had forgotten about the Flank in all the excitement. That totally could have been on there as well, but my theory is that Stark Siege is an option that they wanted to leave open.
Just start playing your melee deck in joust and you’ll be regional champ for sure
That has always been my plan. I had been waiting for the Clash of Arms reprint so I could get 3 Battle of Whispering Wood. But now with the new epic battle that should arrive today or tomorrow (probably tomorrow), I won’t need to wait. But thanks for ruining the surprise for everyone else Buz! =)
I’m pretty sure cards like the Flank and Damon Dance-For-Me will stay legal to be a “don’t use agendas” deterrent.
Which seems weird with the new Fleets. I mean, most people are really excited because they expect them to be a 4 cost usually. But this new restricted list gives a huge push to no agenda builds, which then make the fleet less usable.
Well, I guess maybe they are hoping this just makes more people use HoD and Black Sails. You know, the new stuff. But then everyone is concerned about the forthcoming epic battle just ruining HoD locations.
Thoughts?
I think it’s all about everything being equal. Pushing for no agenda builds is great. The FAQ did two things…made certain agendas less of an auto include in the Summer and Winter builds, made HoD Bear Island and Aegon’s Hill decks(easily the two best HoD builds) less attractive since setups will be tougher now that refugees are gone from those builds. BUT! Since refugees are probably not going to see play, that makes setups less great and more builds might forego that for KotHH(which is still IMO the best agenda).
I love the new epic battle. HoD needed a counter other than A City Beseiged and the Greyjoy Raider army from AtNS that changes claim. Now just because you’re running HoD and see that the opponent isn’t running city plots doesn’t mean that you don’t have to worry.
I’ve never had a problem with HoD Bear Island that wasn’t my own fault. (Either draws or misplays.) HoD Tunnels is, and remains, a far better deck, IMHO.
H for honest or humble?
I’m not fond of Bear Island HoD either for some weird reason. I should be all up on it, but never really interested me. Harrenhal is where it’s at (though I haven’t built it so i’m just speculating, it’w what I would do though…)
Alex, you should know me well enough to know that being humble has never been one of my faults.
That said, I agree, Harrenhal, Dreadfort, Widow’s Watch or even winterfell castle (or whatever one gives stark characters +1 strength) are all better than bear island.
As a Greyjoy player I’m happy about the finished list. As a casual player of the factions it’s going to force me to rethink some of my builds.
I don’t feel like Martell got hit nearly as hard as you think. I actually think its up there with the least hit decks in this new FAQ. I honestly feel like Martell probably should have been hit harder but i’m not going to complain. ((Fear me all of you!!!!)) The Orphan hurts, and i’m sure you probably have heard my thoughts on Cardgamedb Buzz but i don’t feel like it was that big of a blow. Martell Had 3 versions of Orphan. Orphan himself, To Be A Viper, and The Prince’s Wrath. I’m guessing that in the KOTHH builds Prince’s Wrath will replace Orphan as they didn’t really lose anything from this. He was a event anyways. In none KOTHH builds, To Be A Viper will replace Orphan in those. Over all though, i feel like martell pretty much stayed at the same power level it was already at, it just uses different cards to do it.
Never was impressed by Game Of Syvasse or Scourge honestly, so i could care less about those.
Because of the refugees being hit, i feel like the KOTHH decks actually got better. Now they don’t have to worry about their opponent dropping multiple 0 cost characters during setup. ((6 Refugees in the main.))
Over all, because of everything that Martell has, i feel like it should be in the middle ground category. We have so many options that it just doesn’t really matter. We didn’t need Game of Syvasse and Scourge in the first place. Ask anyone who comes up to the local tournaments regularly. I played Syvasse all of one time and hated it. Scourge got cut because it is to slow of a control card. All i’m saying is that the cards that a lot of Martell players are complaining about i don’t really care. Didn’t use them in the first place and there are replacements for the others that i did use. I think the only thing i’ve been racking my brain on trying to figure out what to replace with it Retaliation. Couldn’t figure it out until about a hour ago.
The more I’ve thought about it, the more I see that losing Orphans etc. hurts Martell but it’s not like they don’t have a multiplicity of options to take their place. What I don’t really like is that the list makes Icon Removal decks in general take a hit, which was what I was most recently experimenting with.
You and Shadow’s HH builds should be OK….there’s still plenty of great event choices out there. Martell summer, though, takes a bit hit.
Yeah, between the new FAQ and the naval 3 claim plot I think summer is in a really bad place right now.
I’m planning to try a dayne orientated version (probably without the agenda) at some point, but my sudden realization about neutral brotherhood has taken over my brain.
I actually started laughing hysterically when I read the new List. So many things on the joust list now, and melee only saw 3 additions? I can definitely see where FFG’s focus is.
Also, I can name 5 people’s decks (not counting Alex who you mentioned in the post and who chimed in earlier in the comments), including my own joust deck, that need a drastic overhaul to reflect the changes made in this one.
Overall on the post, good assessments…. though I have to say, after the DC debacle at Worlds, I saw Hellholt and Scourge coming miles away.
I went from 1 restricted in my joust to 7 overnight:
1. Bannermen (already restricted), 2. The Scourge, 3. Orphan, 4. Vale Refugee, 5. Refugee of the Citadel, 6. Game of Cyvasse, 7. Kings of Summer.
Think I got you beat on getting the banhammer Alex. lol
It’s just especially humorous for me because I was building mine with the assumption Meera would become restricted and didn’t use a restricted. I guess I should have because after the FAQ it has to change completely anyway…
I miscounted last night, thinking I’d gone from one to four in my Targ HoD deck (S&D recently replaced the Fury for the ‘eh, whatever’ card that Targ so often has, er, *had*).
Now it has 1) S&D, 2) Hatchling’s Feast, 3) Refugee, 4) Retaliation, 5) Long Lances, 6) Aegon’s Hill. So from one to six!
This will actually hurt since it’s an HoD deck. Turning it back into a KotHH might be the only viable option for it as constructed….
Love your assessments, Buz and I think they are pretty spot on.
Martell(non-Kothh) and Stark got clobbered big time! My Targ deck lost 4 cards and a plot that I honestly didn’t need. Bara had two great characters go in that I thought they didn’t deserve. With the new list control will be weaker and I’m sure the designers have played a TON with the new restricted list in mind. Maybe they thought Bara got a lot better post 2-27-2013? Greyjoy…Greyjoy didn’t lose much at all. Refugees and Tin Link for their top build. Hurts setup a little, but not terribly. I wish they had put the Boatswains on the list too just to force more creativity there.
My favorite thing about the new FAQ…
ATTACHMENTS ARE PLAYABLE AGAIN!!!!
Same here Nathan. I immediately added attachments into all of my deck ideas.
Yeah stuff like Support of Harlaw, Locked Away, Poison Knife, Dragonbone Bow, Banner for the Storm all become playable again and that could not make me happier.
On a side note, I just dropped Retaliation! from my Targ deck and tossed in Mad King’s Legacy! Muhahaha!
Nice!
Also, Poisoned Coin becomes a decent way to counter Maesters. Although who’s gonna be playing maesters now anyway?
Poisoned Coin will also be a decent way to deal with Naval Enhancement… Sure, kneel in Victarion as a naval guy on your Naval Superiority turn… =)
Hehe, Poisoned coin just became the Naval/Maester bane!
Love this new FAQ!!!!!
Yep, totally just got into that on Alex’s post Buz’s assessments are almost all spot on. I feel like I have always focused on large setup drops in my approach to building decks, so it’s gonna be a big shake up. but you’re right, it also means running more attachments makes sense again mathematically. FFG just wants people to play the game in a certain way, and this had to happen.
And I’m at work right now, what’s up with the 4.1 FAQ? Did they add more cards or what?
I was joking about next FAQ restricted the rest of Stark’s good cards.
Ha, OK I’m on lunch now and got a chance to read all the comments. I can’t load any FFG stuff at work so I can’t go back to the FAQ at all. Was there significant errata, or just the restricted list update?
Just what stark needs more ways to kill things lol.
I wouldn’t say they now have more ways to kill people, but now you have to think about your deck and which options you want to use instead of just 3x No Quarter and 2-3 Dissension. Maybe Die by the Sword sees a comeback? Hell, what other great Stark attachments just became includes in my next decks? Frozen Solid, Grey Wind, Shaggydog, Icy Catapult, Northern Steel, Poisoned Coin, Nymeria…the list is quite large concerning the number of attachment cards that just became playable.
Icy Catapult on the new Arya… Can’t wait for the Clash of Arms reprint!!
The words “The New Arya” do my heart good in this troubling time.
I love her.
I do too. I just can’t ever seem to fit it into the deck builds I’ve had. I’ll make room this time though!
Love this – great assessments Buz!
Regarding Targ KotHH – the more I’ve thought about it, the more I think it may not have been hit very hard at all. Losing Aegon’s Hill just bumps Confession up to 3x, losing Hatchlings’ brings Incinerate up to 3x (which doesn’t have the attachment restriction), and you can easily add in Forever Burning for a 1-sided board wipe during Dom on the Threat from the North turn… really, the restrictions seem like they’d be pretty easy to build around. And, since the Street Waif + Long Lances combo wasn’t really touched… everything I just mentioned can be recycled.
Now – Aegon’s coupled hand knowledge with the potential of killing a character, but most people would marshal around that (though it was beautiful watching people agonize over what they were going to marshal due to this card being in play).
So, I think Joshua was right and I was wrong. Targ’s best deck may have had no real hit.
I don’t know that being right has ever saddened me more.
I don’t know that I can drop The Hatchling’s Feast. The LL + Street Waif combo is so fragile with Varys, Dissension, and Ser Arys still being very playable that I might keep the burn.
Its not any more fragile than it was before. Beyond that, you have ambush from the plains and other street waifs, they’ll run out of hate before you run out of waifs.
What I really meant to say Joshua is….I Love Burn!
I agree with your assessment of the fragility of the combo – but that combo has always been fragile.
Regarding Hatchlings – I might agree with you if not for the fact that I believe we’re going to see a resurgence of attachments and an attachment-heavy meta causes problems for Hatchlings’ Feast.
Yes, but that being the case Targ is the attachment hate house and I’ve already planned for this inevitability. My deck yesterday changed to include Meereenese Brothel and Mad King’s Legacy. That should be good enough with the 3x Dragon Thief already in there.
Honestly I think they made the LL & SW combo LESS fragile. Without seeing as many refugees do you think Dissension is as juicy of an include for most decks now?
I was wondering about that myself Nathan, and while I’ve never been a fan of dissension outside of trait manipulation decks, I’m less a fan of it now.
Josh posted on CardGameDB (I think) that Targ HH decks will branch into two camps: the “high recursion” version and the “burn” version. Losing Aegon’s Hill to me is no big deal in the grand scheme.
If you lose the Street waif/Lances combo then you get: 6 new character spots (unless you want to run the Waif without the Lances…..), more burn and board control, but still the same amount of ambush probably in total. Queen’s Knights will probably come back in for the Lances or maybe even Thundering Cavalry or other burn support cards. A loss, but not a huge one. I’m leaning towards keeping this branch alive along with Nathan since I perceive more rush decks will be coming and Targ HH really needs board wipes to be effective. Before the Lances were printed the card advantage was OK….now it will still be OK but not amazing.
If you lose Hatchling’s Feast you get: card recursion and have to look elsewhere for burn. Forever burning, Harried by Dragons + LDC (or even Greyscale), 3x Incinerate, maybe Dragon Skull or Dragon Support or something crazy. In other words, there’s options to replace the Feast, but not as many options for card advantage in-house. I expect that this will be the way more players go.
Is there any doubt that Targ HH and Greyjoy Maesters are still the two top builds?
I think maesters got hurt enough that Greyjoy Maesters being one of the top two builds is highly questionable now. Greyjoy is still a top build, but I don’t know if it is maesters. I’m inclined to say just a straight up choke.
Well, I still am going to run Street Waif with Hatchling’s Feast. I might be going back to Drogon(Core) for the terminal Any Phase burn…not sure on that one. I consider Hatchling’s Feast huge card advantage. On TfTN turn it’s -1 of my cards for -3 of yours.
Yup, I think you’re totally right. The House of Pain style decks will adapt very quickly to this change with a minimal loss in efficiency, though a considerable change in cards slots, I suppose.
Brotherhood got significantly better with this update, and one of the best brotherhood decks is neutral house. Could it be this is what I’ve been waiting for without knowing it?
*looks at Targ’s new version of Bruno’s deck. . . cries*
Careful on the attachments guys, they still aren’t as good as you would think. Sure, Tin Link being gone is nice and all but both of the KOTHH decks have easy ways to deal with attachments that are auto includes. Just because they are good even outside of the realm of attachments. Not saying that you can’t play attachments. Just be careful, they aren’t as playable as you would think.
Agreed. Attachments are just asking to get 2 for 1′d. But some decks will be fine with them, others will continue ignoring them.
Yeah, attachments are still the worst card type but now you can actually consider running one at a tournament since Tin Link won’t be there.