By R2-EQ– March 10, 2014
Read Theorist’s article on flying Interceptors and just saw this:
Fast Lambda, FTW.
I’d rebuild it this way:
36 Soontir w/ PTL + Shield + RGT + TComp
36 Jax w/ PTL + Shield + RGT + Hull
28 OGP w/ AdvS + Engine
I think of it as an all Interceptor squad.
I like that list way better.
Soontir (PTL,Hull,RGT, Tcomp)
Jax (PTL, Hull, RGT, Tcomp)
OGP (DV, ADvS, Engine)
I lost initiative, so that detracted from OGPs move first blocking ability. And he as gone in first round (against garv and 3 rookies). But he crippled one X-wing before expiring for Soontir to finish off. Was able to pilot around Jax and Soontir and lonely lost a hull on Jax because of an asteroid. The TL focus combo is awesome. I think it would be a very hard list to beat without turrets. Not really a fan of the shields for an extra two points as it seems less likely to me that all that will be left is one un-cancelled crit, but I could be wrong. I like DV. But maybe if you are just suiciding OGP its better to take points out. I don’t know.
Maybe it is the way that I fly Interceptors, but the first damage that I take to them is a crit a LARGE portion of the time. It’s less important to Soontir, who is less likely to take damage. It’s less important to Turr, who is less likely to see shots his way at all. But I’d say Shield is much more valuable than Hull to Interceptors, even those two Interceptors.
I’d suggest NOT downgrading the squints to get Vader. If you want Vader, I’d built Vader + Ion Cannon instead of AdvS + Engine. I actually dislike Vader on the shuttle. I’ve ran it several times and found that most times I’d rather turn my shuttle around to take new shots than kill myself with Vader. The right ship for Vader hasn’t come along yet. We need something tougher, maybe a capital ship where Vader’s damage can be undone with a shield restore.
I hear you. And I have very little experience with interceptors, only recently have I actually managed to keep a few alive, so I am learning.
boy oh boy does the marketing department of FFG make some bad lists…
I know right, its like when GW makes battle reports I just look at the article and go “does the company play the same game as us?”
To be fair, I’m sure they are just trying to include Opportunist somehow — that card is not exactly easy to put in a good list. I am very unsure what purpose Navigator had on a PS 2 ship though… what was that about?
Mu0n has been trying tenaciously to find a spot for Opportunist, and so have I — but not with any success. So far there’s not really a ideal ship for it. Jax can’t legitimately run that card, and he’s not ideal to turn that card on for ships helping him either because he can’t maintain Range 1 all the time.
We are waiting on an ultra-durable PS 1-4 turret or rear-arc ship with an ept slot. Chewbacca isn’t an absolutely terrible place for it if you bring ships that shoot before him…
49 Chewbacca w/ Opportunist + C3P0
…but the ship we really want would be lower PS, cheaper, and still pretty tough. It might have no access to Focus as an action, and be TL only. (That would make PTL on it weaker; there would be no comparison between TL+F vs TL+dice.)
Will we ever see that ship? I don’t know.
Oh and R2-D6 on the PS 3 E-wing might have an Opportunist build. It’s too squishy, but you could add Hull Upgrade and FCS. I don’t think it will strictly hold up vs a PTL build but it won’t be completely terrible. Probably you have Wes in that build to strip the target. And Biggs to guard Opportunist early to maximize the buy.
Do we know the points on the PS 3 E-wing yet?
The Bloodmoon Squad (PS3) E-Wing will be 29pts
Heh the ps Three-wing.
For some reason, for five days out of every month, that squadron is *really* hard to handle.
39 Bloodmoon w/ FCS + R2-D6 + Opportunist + Hull
32 Wes w/ R3-A2
29 Biggs w/ R5 + Hull
28 Tarn/Red w/ R2-D6 + Opportunist
32 Wes w/ R3-A2
28 Biggs w/ Hull
Not sure on either of these.
Could potentially pair it with an ORS blocker.
Also, if indeed the Tie Defender has a white K, it might work. You would really punish an enemy for K-turning. That would be an expensive ship tho (likely 35 pts for the PS5).
Maybe something where everything draws aggro and has good attack…
Wes Janson + R2 + Swarm tactics.
Ehtan abath + r2 +PTL
Ibitsam + opportunist
Might be better off with Biggs, and running opportunist on the Etahn abhatathaha can’t remember his spelling.
Yes. If we see a white k-turn, that could be a game changer in terms of talking about Opportunist. It’s such a niche-build card. You have to arrange it so that your opponent has no actions, or wield the threat in some major way. Would have been great as a 2pt card, or without the stress effect. As is, hard to find a spot for.
Opportunist seems to work out to be about the same as PTL – when you look at 3 + Focus is pretty much = 4. Opportunist lets us get an action, so we’re in a 4+focus vs ptls 3 + F&TL. (about the same, but with the different variance)
for 1 more point. – on X-wings and E-wings (dial dependant) this means we can buy an R2 unit for that 4th point, which arguably makes PTL a good choice there. (Though the r2 will still work for opportunist, which may be a good way to run it)
In the case of the new add an EPT droid – there’s a 5 point opportunist, but low P.S. – as you did with Tarn.
If Opportunist had no requirement that the target be action-less, it would be a decent PTL alternate. Ramp your possible damage for a stress — it’s not bad. Vader would have loved that card. But Vader is PS 9, shooting first. Maybe if you have lots of blockers (and maybe Jax), you get some use out of the card… but not nearly enough to warrant a 4pt buy when he could have taken another really good card for him (like PTL or Daredevil).
Sometimes it feels like there is a guy nerfing cards for fun at FFG who doesn’t actually play X-wing.
How many shots does it take to make Opportunist worth it? Wes seems like the best pilot to go with someone who has Opportunist.
Why not tank Wes and multiple greens w/opportunist?
Wes w/ hull
2x green w/opportunist
Because Wes will die. Then you have Opportunists and no good way to use them. Best you could get would be:
23 Green w/ Opportunist
23 Green w/ Opportunist
Compare Green w/ Opportunist to Red w/ nothing — which is the better ship for this list?
From where did “Bloodmoon” come?
Hmm, the dial is better than the red. The actions are better. It lives longer on average. It fires later and has less consistent damage when not focus firing.
Oh I think one of the squad builders mistranslated the squad name and it’s spread a bit.
Yeah it’s definitely Blackmoon, but now that I see the mensies reference I kinda like Bloodmoon too :p
I have run Opp on chewie with Lando and it has worked very well for me. Lower PS definitely helps.
I don’t think Opportunist is terrible with high PS. It just relies on tricky maneuvering where you attack unexpected targets.
My first thought is Han + Opportunist + Gunner + Engine Upgrade. He zooms crazy places pouncing on anyone that didn’t take the right/any action this turn. With Gunner maybe he strips tokens himself and activates Opportunist for his second shot anyways? Or you can always use Wedge/Roark/VI to let others still shoot ahead of him. Maybe Flechette Torpedoes or R3-A2 would support him well, too?
This idea mostly came from Robert over on BGG talking about opportunist…
What about a list like
Wes/Wedge/Porkins w/ptl: 29 pts
Biggs/Hobbie/Tarn w/R2D6+VI: 25 pts
Chewie w/ opportunist: 46 pts
The idea here is chewie is shooting last on your side and since he has a turret he can target anyone who used BR/TL/Koiogran/bumped/used token vs your xwings.
*I* made that list.
I’m starting to suspect that Opportunist is a bigger deal for the Rebel side of things. One of my buddies was tinkering with:
Jan w/blaster turret & recon specialist
Ibtisam w/HLC & opportunist
It was fairly ugly. Either suck up the 4-5 dice shot from Wedge, or the 5-6 dice shot from Ibtisam. Jan’s turret did a pretty fair job of covering things close up, too.
I’m also looking forward to trying Opportunist on Green Squadron.
Swap Wedge for Wes Janson and now Ibby has a sure shot at the target with no focus.
Janson will be showing up in a lot of lists, methinks…
The big thing there is that most of what looks scary isn’t Opportunist. You could rebuild it this way:
33 Wedge w/ R2 + PTL
29 Jan w/ BlasterT
38 Ibtisam w/ PTL + HLC
You get more offense, and more sure offense. The opponent is still looking at scary shots and no way to shut it off quickly. But Jan is also a small part of that equation:
37 Wedge w/ R2 + PTL + Engine
38 Ibtisam w/ PTL + HLC
Also for you list and this Biggs list, Wes over Wedge? Especially for the Opportunist list, he seems like a good choice.
I was messing around with the exact same combos when the previews for Wes first came out. Really not sure how I feel about it yet.
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