Profile photo of Sean Ryberg By Sunsteel On February 21, 2013 Posted In Game of Thrones LCG

New Player Deck Building Advice Needed

Profile photo of Sean Ryberg
February 21, 2013
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Howdy all,

I am new to this game but not new to card games as you can see in my post “Syracuse” in the General forums.  Currently I have one Core Set, the Lords of Winter, Forging the Chain, and Refugees of War.  I am trying to get something semi competitive put together for a tournament in a week and plan to expand my collection over time.  I have been reading the forums on Fantasy Flight’s web page and feel that in time I should be a contender.

For now I am still learning the synergy of the games mechanics and the many cards already in print. I was hoping for some advice on what I should consider in deck construction with what I have and perhaps any other expansions/cards that will help me as a starting player.

Cheers and thank you for your thoughts.

  1. Ok, well first off welcome to the best card game(and gaming community) that. I’ve ever been a part of.

    Second, AGoT has a super steep learning curve so don’t get discouraged if you lose…a lot. I did and 5 years later I’much better for not giving up.

    Third, you can build a halfway decent deck with what you have. Obviously without a larger card pool you’ll be at a disadvantage, but that’s probably a good thing for you right now. I think it’s better to learn with some of the inferior cards than to have a huge card pool to choose from and bever get to learn why some cards are good and played a lot and why others aren’t.

    Next, if you want to win at a tournament you’re gonna need to choose a new house card. lol. I kid of course. Stark is a good house, one of the best, but pretty much everything loses to Targaryen right now. They are top dog and you’re the mailman in their yard. I’m not saying they can’t be beaten, but I think the best matchup vs them would be Martell and even that is only a 50-55% chance of winning when things go their way.

    Lastly, on Cardgamedb.com there are a bunch of great articles titled First Tilt that are written for new players. They will take a house and build a deck from the core set, big box expansion, and 6 chapter packs. It’s a good place to start.

    1. Thank you for the reply and advice. I forgot to mention I dabbled in Legend of the Five Rings card game too, but that is another story. Funny that Targaryen and Martell are the top houses at the moment. In a discussion with Steven of Team Covenant (TC) he described the various houses play styles and those two sounded like my style in that order. So once I’ve gotten my feet under me with House Stark I won’t hesitate to branch in those two directions.
      I don’t mind the learning curve and am not surprised to see you mention it. After watching some of the youtube games TC posted I realized I was having difficulty keeping up with most of it.
      All it means is there is a lot of longevity for me in this LCG. I left WoW TCG due to it’s monetary demands, but don’t see that happening with this game outside of catching up.
      Thank you again, see you on the message boards. :-)

      1. Joust Champ, but Overall was Shoemaker with Stark Siege in Melee and Stark Knights in Joust. Bruno didn’t participate in Melee since he was playing ANR.

      2. Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion as to the worth of overall title, joust title, or melee title — Mark’s statement was that Stark won the overall title, not the joust title. He was flatly correct.

        I do believe all houses must currently do what they can (in deck construction) to face Targ, otherwise they will lose to Targ. Martel has the most leeway, but after that I think I’d say Stark does. So Stark isn’t a bad place to be.

      3. It does imply that with a good build and skilled play that Stark can get more than the strong share of victories it needs to compete in a competitive field — what else is there generally to say about a house choice?

      4. Stark is a solid house. At World’s they were the best contender against House of Pain (actually winning once against Bruno’s incredibly efficient and superbly tested deck).

        Just to douse a little reality on this whole conversation. Bruno’s deck was absolutely fabulous and Bruno, himself, is likely one of the top players in the game (if not THE top player). But, he admitted himself that he went through tons of games constantly tweaking that one deck until it became the bastion of efficiency it became.

        A lot of Targ players play Jumper/Recursion decks and they lose… A LOT. Targ is currently top dog because, in the right hands, they have every tool to deal with every House. In the wrong hands, they’re no better than anyone else. Some things just work, but timing is everything.

        You can netdeck the House of Pain deck and you’ll lose… A LOT because you aren’t John Bruno. The more complicated the deck is the more important every decision becomes from deciding when to Mulligan and what cards to play and what to hold back and in what order.

        Targ is good (and most likely truly the top house) – but, let’s not forget the players. There are dozens of players (many on this site) playing every House who regularly beat Targ decks.

        Stark is still an incredibly strong House and get my vote for the most consistently strong House. Every new player we get – I give them a Stark deck… and they do very well right out of the gate… often winning their first match and keeping a decent average without changing a single card.

      5. “Overall Champ is a joke title. The only winner is the joust winner.”

        Couldn’t disagree more! Did you see that hammer he won?! With swag like that, I could care less which title someone thought was more important than the other.

      6. Well the swag was nice. If I do well enough to win Overall Champion I won’t turn down the prizes. I made up my mind a long time ago though that I wouldn’t accept the title of overall champ unless I happened to also win the Joust or Melee title too. If you don’t win one or the other then what have you done? You’ve done just good enough to win nothing and that’s what you deserve.

  2. With the card pool you have, you’re most competitive build would probably be some sort of Tully Riverrun deck. Forging the Chain is great because you get access to Riders of the Red Fork, which is a great card for the Tully deck. I’d be sure to run Die by the Sword and Routing the Charge as your events along with a bunch of Tully characters and Riverrun. I’d use the Robb Stark from LoW (+1 for a trait) and the Grey Wind attachment. Catelyn Stark from LoW (put into play as defender).

    These are my suggestions. I could probably put together a full list, but I’ll leave that for you and offer suggestions if you post it here.

    1. I agree you could run a decent Tully build, but I think a pretty good Direwolf build as well. Both would be defensive in nature, but the Direwolf deck would give you a lot more targeted kill where Tully basically would just try to rush for the win.

      1. Also, if you go direwolves then you can use wolf dreams to search (for Riders of the Red Fork even!). Although other than shaggydog and grey wind attachments, i’m not sure how direwolves provide more targeted kill than the tully build? And you can always add that bit of direwolf stuff into a Tully deck.

    2. Thank you for the suggestions. I don’t mind losing but would rather it be due to my displays instead of a terrible deck build. I also picked up Tourney for the Hand today. I’m guessing it has something to do with the Joust deck mentioned above? I will put something together and post it Sunday night. All comments are welcome.

  3. I also agree with Larry G about how decks are played. I played World of Watercraft TCG and judged it at world championship level, and have played against some of the top players at that time and every decision counts, more so with decks designed to break the meta.
    Great players can usually guess what you’re holding and know what you’ll play before you do and when you make mistakes they jump on them. It takes a lot of table time and knowledge.

  4. On another note, I looked at some Tully decks on CardgameDB, and found this one by SwordofMorning

    ~ Tully League Deck ~
    House (1)
    House Stark (Core) x1

    Agenda (1)
    House of Dreams (ARotD) x1

    Plot (7)
    Storm of Swords (LoW) x1
    Mutual Cause (Core) x1
    Respect of the Old Gods (LoW) x1
    Fury of the Wolf (AE) x1
    Into the Lists (TftH) x1
    Family, Duty, Honor (LoW) x1
    Take Them by Surprise (LoW) x1

    Character (30)
    Knight of the Red Fork (LoW) x3
    Riverrun Messenger (LoW) x3
    Hoster Tully (LoW) x2
    House Tully Septon (LoW) x3
    Hodor (Core) x1
    Guard at Riverrun (LoW) x3
    The Blackfish (LoW) x3
    Trident Reinforcements (Core) x2
    Edmure’s Host (LoW) x2
    Greatjon Umber (WLL) x1
    Ser Edmure Tully (LoW) x1
    Catelyn Stark (LoW) x1
    Knight of the Tumblestone (Core) x2
    Ser Rodrik Cassel (Core) x1
    Meera Reed (TftH) x1
    Rickard Karstark (WLL) x1

    Location (17)
    Great Keep (Core) x3
    Winterfell Practice Yard (ODG) x2
    Frozen Outpost (LoW) x2
    Bear Island (AE) x1
    Narrow Sea (Core) x3
    Northern Fiefdoms (Core) x3
    Harrenhal (ODG) x1
    Riverrun (LoW) x2

    Attachment (0)

    Event (13)
    Distinct Mastery (Core) x3
    Die by the Sword (LoW) x3
    No Quarter (TBC) x3
    To Be a Wolf (SB) x1
    Endless Endurance (LoW) x3

    I have most of the Core and LoW, all of the TftH, but lack the rest. So accepting it has synergy I am finding ways of doing something of my own with Tully in mind but also have the following to use.
    – Forging the Chain
    – Tourney for the Hand
    – Refugees of War
    – Poisoned Spear
    – Dreadfort Betrayal

    Was thinking of getting Valar Doharis and Chasing Dragons, since ODG, TBC, SB, AE and WLL are all out of stock at the moment.

    1. I would not copy this build as it has been tailored to use Bear Island. Which I would not recommend doing. So your location choices especially will be different. However, the character base is a good place to start. I wouldn’t worry about using the house of dreams agenda either. Just put 2 or 3 riverrun, use Maege Mormont (i think she’s in one of those last two packs you mentioned) without an agenda in order to search for riverrun if you need it.

  5. Tully Deck (my edit of SwordofMorning’s Tully League Deck)

    House (1)
    House Stark (Core) x1

    Agenda (0)
    N/A

    Plot (7)
    Storm of Swords (LoW) x1
    Twist of Fate (APS) x1
    Respect of the Old Gods (LoW) x1
    A City Besieged (CD) x1
    Into the Lists (TftH) x1
    Family, Duty, Honor (LoW) x1
    Take Them by Surprise (LoW) x1

    Character (30)
    Knight of the Red Fork (LoW) x3
    Riverrun Messenger (LoW) x3
    Hoster Tully (LoW) x2
    House Tully Septon (LoW) x3
    Hodor (Core) x1
    Guard at Riverrun (LoW) x3
    The Blackfish (LoW) x3
    Trident Reinforcements (Core) x1
    Edmure’s Host (LoW) x2
    Ser Edmure Tully (LoW) x1
    Catelyn Stark (LoW) x1
    Knight of the Tumblestone (Core) x1
    Ser Rodrik Cassel (Core) x1
    Meera Reed (TftH) x1
    Damon Dance-For-Me (VD) x2
    Brienne of Tarth (PotS) x2

    Location (17)
    Great Keep (Core) x3
    Frozen Outpost (LoW) x2
    Godswood (LoW) x2
    Lord Eddard’s Chambers (LoW) x2
    Narrow Sea (Core) x2
    Northern Fiefdoms (Core) x3
    Street of Steel (LoW) x1
    Riverrun (LoW) x2

    Attachment (3)
    Poisoned Coin (THoBaW) x3

    Event (10)
    Distinct Mastery (Core) x2
    Die by the Sword (LoW) x3
    Routing the Charge (LoW) x2
    Endless Endurance (LoW) x3

    Revised list. I currently own the following:

    Core Set ~ LoW House Set ~ PotS House Set
    RoW – DB – FtC – TftH – APS – VD – CD – AHM – THoBaW.

    I was told Maege Mormont in HM could work well but thought Brienne and Damon had more to offer plus their immunities were valuable.

    I also considered Support of the Kingdom instead of Routing the Charge but I only have one Core Set so far so limited number of copies of that and likewise Trident Reinforcements and
    Knight of the Tumblestone .

    Also, would an additional Catelyn Stark be useful or a dead card?

    1. I suggest the following changes:

      remove Trident Reinforcements and 1 Damon Dance-for-me to include 2 riders of the red fork (from FtC)

      remove 3 poisoned coin for 2 Frozen Solid and a 3rd Riders of the Red Fork.

      remove one Lord Eddard’s Chambers for a 3rd Narrow Sea

      remove one Northern Fiefdoms for a Street of Sisters

      1. Maege is great in a Stark defense deck. She can get expensive locations (winterfell, winterfell castle) or defense locations (frozen outpost) or win condition locations (riverrun) all for winning a challenge. You just have to make sure you can both afford her (grabbing a Godswood is a good way) and keep her from getting intrigued out of your hand.

      1. House Tully Septon.

        Though you almost have to view Cat as an event since you don’t really want to set her up.

        I would keep in the Routing the Charge if you found you were consistently able to win on defense or if you found your plots’ initiative meant you were often going second. Though it is important to note that Die by the Sword can work on defense!

  6. I went with the given suggestions, except due to restricted issue with Meera Reed changed her for the third Tully Septon again. I was able to play in a free play event and went undefeated in my first time playing AGoT!
    Knowing I will loose soon enough, I feel I at least have a firm understanding of the games mechanics and at least a basic comprehension of how to play this deck. I will keep at this one and work on a Greyjoy deck next.

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